reparations.
this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.
are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?
You know.. I am just done with my opinion. I don't care anymore. This thread is gonna go on for months... it doesn't matter!You are gonna love who you love and like who you like.. and nothing is going to change that. I asked the question so that we could all talk about it... and we could meet with our differences. I think we have done that, and that is good. Please.. let this thread die.
Country Girl
i like him, but he makes me a little nervous.
I get tired of people talking down our President. It was GOOD when Clinton was our President, cuz he didn't have a crises, except his sexual crises. Everyone complained about how bad our President was, and how bad his morals were. He didn't bring us to war, and as long as he didn't do that, he was alright with us. As long as the stock market was up, he was okay.
I admit tht Bush is bringing us to war. It may be his own war, and he is trying to FORCE us into war... I don't even agree with it..but he's OUR president! We voted him in.. Why are we goin crazy NOW? When we voted him in.. we voted to believe everything he represented. Only we.. only we can stop itnow...
CG
is there any survivors of sexual abuse that live in south central texas?
we have a reporter that wants to report on the story in south central texas.
please write me at [email protected] if you want to tell me your story.. or want to tell the world your story.
Is there any survivors of sexual abuse that live in South Central Texas? We have a reporter that wants to report on the story in South Central Texas. Please write me at [email protected] if you want to tell me your story.. or want to tell the world your story. Jesika and I will both be with you... we will help you. Please write to the above address if you can help us.
Country Girl
personally i love thongs but only in summer or when i'm going out.
for my thunder i prefer the form fitting boxer style yummmmmy .
my son loves the boxer boxer he wears the form fitting boxer then the loose colorful one over those then his jeans <can you say over kill>.
I personally prefer my "union suit" with the little trap door in the back. Hehhehe.
I like the Hanes My Way.. I mean, HER way.. whoever HER is...
CG
i have very small grnadchildren.
they love the care bears.
so, we are watching care bears , the first movie, and i am totally in shock that the carebears are a version of god and angels living in heaven( live in care a lot) and they rescue people from wicked spirit forces.
Actually.. nursery rhymes are pretty violent when you think about em...
"... and down will come baby cradle and all."
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall..."
"Jack fell down and broke his crown.. and Jill came tumbling after."
"Fatty and Skinny went to bed, Fatty rolled over and Skinny was dead.." wait... that's not a nursery rhyme is it? hehehhe
CG
they really need our help.. they like cheese pizza and cheese sandwiches!.
their tree houses are some of the most creative ever known.. .
they have an intense social life with frequent dating.
Hey! That's my house!
CG
reparations.
this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.
are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?
Hi Stinky:
Yer trying to overwhelm me... let me take your post one point at a time.
You can comment on this thread, no matter who you are. My main thrust was the black population since that is where most of the media concentrates it's commentary. It can also be applied to all other races.
You say that my post appears to take the stance that "all" black people seek reparations. The key word is "appears". Nowhere in my post do I say that black people are the ONLY parties to seek reparations. However, the subject is that black groups are the ones that are seeking reparations at this particular point in history, and thusly, the post. SP, I am quite aware that most black folks are NOT out for reparations, but this still is a very interesting subject to *me* , and hence, the reason I brought it up. I do agree with your reasons that reparations are not a good idea. All four reasons are very sensible and I totally agree.
The Confederate war started OUT being about States' rights, but it evolved into the slavery issue. If it didn't, it eventually become the issue, it wouldn't be touted for what it was now. The Emancipation Proclamation would be worth NOTHING if it didn't mean something to someone. What it meant to a bunch of slaves down South was that they were free. Let's not dilute the issues. Who cares what it started OUT as.. what it became is the most important thing. What it showed is that right won out for the best. Is that true or not?
Reparations. Umm... my Father was promised 160 acres in the Midwest. He didn't get it. He was here after the war. The Nazis stole his farm. He came here because he had nothing. He's Greek. Should he sue for reparations? No. It was so long ago it doesn't matter. Is everything equal still? No. My Mother's parents hated him for twenty years because he was a foreigner. It'll never be equal with him and Americans cuz he's not part of our cultue, and he can't speak our language as well as we can. Nothing will ever be equal for anyone. That's the beauty of being in America.. you can OVERCOME those differences and still rise to the top. The world is never an even playing field for anyone. No matter what reality you live in.
Should I be accorded a place on the board of directors of a major corporation because of the fact I am a WOMAN? No. I have to EARN my place. See.. it's not just about blacks, or immigrants, or whatever, it's GENDER, too. And sexual orientation. ALL of us are discriminated against.
If you put it that way.. I am a Greek-American. However, most of all I am an American, cuz I was born here. My Dad is from Greece. Why can't we just all quit the labeling and be Americans? Sure.. it's cool to have a heritage, and to take pride in it.. but when it overrides common sense and you think you have rights over and above BECAUSE of that heritage, that's wrong.
Sure there's plenty of white only organizations like the KKK, the Aryan Brotherhood.. but they are organizations that are always in the spotlight and always are violent and get a lot of attention. Sure other races don't wanna join them, cuz they can't. I don't wanna join em either. However, I do think that if some white people want their own organization that glorifies their own race, withOUT putting down other races, then that should be their right, without people demonizing them. What does that prove? I think it sucks that the golf club in Augusta Georgia wants to have an all male golf club and there's a lady that wants them to let females in. Why should they? Then that only infringes on their rights as humans making their own choices.. and makes it harder for females to have their own socieities. Each culture has a right to its own identity.. but when it all comes down to it.. we're all just human Americans..
Awww.. c'mon stinky .. what black person wants to sing country music besides Charlie Pride??? ehheeheh.. that's not fair. There isn't very many white rap artists.. does that mean it's exclusive? No.. but I bet if they were good enough, like Charlie Pride is, they'd get their place.. LOL
Country Girl Being that I'm "Black", "Colored", "African-American", "Negro", etc. I suppose I should comment on this thread... but where should I begin?
First of all, Country Girl, your post appears to take the stance that ALL Black people seek reparations. In reality (a place you should visit), most Blacks aren't out to get reparations for several obvious reasons: 1) We don't blame White Americans now living for what happened, they weren't there, 2) We also weren't slaves, 3) We pay taxes too so any reparations could possibly be coming out of our own pockets, and 4) We wouldn't get much money anyway
You said:
Does anybody think how it was for a Mother to lose her children to a battle fighting for the rights of someone she considered less than an equal? What they fought for.. what they all believed in.. was the right for all men to be equal. No shame can be found in that.
I think that someone already brought this out but the Civil War wasn't completely about equal rights for slaves. A lot of it was about the Confederacy rejoining The Union (money, power). The slavery/equality issue was merely a noble platform to stand on.
How can African Americans ask for reparation when their lot has become better? Based on the history of civil rights, their lot is way better/ Through the deaths of many people that believed in equal rights as Abe Lincoln expressed it, or as Martin Luther King expressed it, their lot in life is better.. and things are so much more equal.
-The reason that SOME not ALL Blacks want reparations is because 1) The slaves were promised 40 acres and a mule which they never received and 2) in some ways many Blacks still suffer. If you need me to elaborate I can.
-Abe Lincoln owned slaves
-Things are still not equal. Actually far from it if you actually do some research.
How can people classify themselves as African Americans when they werent BORN in Africa, nor do they have a contact with Africa. They are Americans, cuz they were born here.
Umm, I know many people that call themselves Asian-American, Hispanic-American, Italian-American, and guess what? They were born here too! Many people have pride in their heritage. My husband is Franco-American and proud of it!
They continue to SEGREGATE themselves by calling themselves other than American. How can they expect to progress if they keep bringing attention to their differences? They keep saying that America has to pay attention to their differences, celebrate those differences, yet they keep asking America to integrate with them. You either want one or the other. Its okay if you want black colleges, black channels BET, black Ms. America pageants.. but then dont turn around and ask people to IGNORE their caucasion differences, and get upset cuz people want to have Ms. White America pageants, white only clubs, things like that.
Honey, when Ms. Black America Pageants started there was no place for Blacks in the other pageants, so now it's sort of a tradition, and not a big deal. And I don't think I've ever heard a Black person say they that we should IGNORE caucasian differences, where are you getting this? Plus, there are plenty of white-only organizations (Aryans Nations, KKK, etc), we don't wanna join those.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Do you know how UPSET the NAACP would be if white people formed a union and had a Ms. White USA? How upset people would be if someone formed a WHITE ONLY channel? Well, think about it like that.
A White only channel. . .how about CMT (Country Music Television) hahaha
Were all Americans, those of us that were born here. I like the fact that some of us continue to bring our traditions and cultures to the fore, but for the most part.. we are AMERICANS.. and we are all the same.. and we all are lucky to live here and we should be proud.. and should be become one.. AMERICANS.
Umm, even people that were not born here are Americans too silly girl. Did you know that a person can be born in Germany, but become a citizen by taking an oath? They too are Americans (German-American).
reparations.
this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.
are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?
I ifnd it bizarre for a Canadian to teach an American about their own history. Country Girl, the American Civil War was not started over the issue of equality of man. Rather the civil war began over the issue of individual state rights. The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't written until well after the start of the war.As far as the issue of reparations go, I agree with your conclusions but not your reasoning.
You are NOT teaching me something I didn't already know. However, it soon became clear that one of the BIG issues of the Civil War was slavery. If it wasn't .. it wouldn't have been necessary for Mr. Lincoln to decide to make one of his most pressing issues slavery, in that he issued the Emancipation. If it wasn't such a big issue, it wouldn't have been necessary for Union boats to come down the Mississippi and burn several homes and plantations down to the ground, thus annihilating several families from their homes and livelihoods. State's rights weren't the issue. If they were, Mr. Lincoln and his successors wouldn't have cared so strongly about slavery. I'm glad they did.
They never did take on the state of texas, though. Texas is the only state in the union that is a republic on its own, and has the option to secede from the union based on it's own vote... to this day.
CG
reparations.
this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.
are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?
I am not trying to be argumentative, at all. I just want people to know that EVERYONE, no matter who they are, has rights to be proud of who they are and where they came from, even if it is unpolitically correct to do so. But in the end. we are *all* americans, if we were born here.
Whoever bombs us, they are bombing their own citizens, because Americans are a combination of *all* the countries and cultures, and we should be damned well proud we are. We fought hard, or at least our ancestors did, for *all* of us to be free to be, and free to say. I'd hate to see one group thinking they had a cornerstore on the right to speak their peace. That's not democracy, that's communism. So .. as much as you have your right to speak your peace, I have the right to oppose you. And if you try to stop me from my right to speak, well you are no better than the people that we fought against in the first place.
CG
reparations.
this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.
are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?
Country Girl:One of the reasons you see things like BET or Black Entertainment Television is because it's the only designation that Black ppl can use because unlike most Americans, we don't know exactly what our origins were besides that our ancestors were brought here from Africa. It's a big place yanno, with lots of different ethnic groups that future slaves were culled from back in the day.
For instance down here every year we have an Irish Italian day parade and a St. Patrick's Day parade. By bringin attention to and showing pride in their heritage, these ppl arn't separating themselves from other Americans at all. They are showing pride in their cultural heritage, which has nothing to do with being white.
You know what? I don't know where I am from either. My Father comes from Greece, yet his parents were under Turkish rule. They were slaves of the Turks. My Father doesn't know if his Grandmother was a Turk or a Greek. To here tell, if she *was* a Turk, he would kill himself. My point being, there are LOTS of people that were slaves in the world... but we don't ask for reparations.. or special dispensation from the country that was our destiny. You say that blacks don't know their origins... well, alot of us European immigrant children don't either.. and we are even CLOSER to our roots than you are! I am only one generation away from my roots, you are three or four or five, sometimes.
I agree that people should bring attention to their heritage. That is a GOOD thing. That is exactly what I am saying. WHY should we be ashamed of what we are? Irish people are white, mostly.. and Germans are white, mostly... but it's not the COLOR.. it's the HERITAGE. Black people distinquish themselves by being black.. and yet they are of a thousand different cultures and a thousand different voices. Just like white people.. there are germans, and belgians, and nords, and danes.. all white.. but all a different race and culture.. yet we are all just clumped into one thing: white. Just like YOU clump yourselves into one: BLACK. Why should we integrate ourselves when you want to SEPARATE yourselves with such things as BET, Miss Black America.. etc. But you still demand that we can't hav ethe same thing? I don't get it..
So why shouldn't we German Americans, Greek Americans, Nord Americans all have a White Miss America since the black race has the Black Miss America? Shouyldn't be a problem.
CG
